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BREXIT: UK's EU Referendum

Stolen Votes : Fraudulent Margin

This Is http://www.berklix.eu/brexit/ ->
http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/blog/2016-05-02/

by Julian Stacey

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Introduction

  • This page started not for or against Brexit (British exit from EU), but with message:
    Regardless if For or Against Brexit, Please Register & Vote
    UK deprived 700,000 (or more) British living longer than 15 years in the EU of any vote. If you can still vote, don't let them steal your vote too: Register & Vote !
    New message:
    Brexit Referendum Margin Is Fraudulent: After `Legally' Stealing/Denying 700,000 (or more) votes from UK citizens in EU, the rump results do not represent us.
  • On referendum day, I was on the street in the UK, urging people to vote & get their friends to vote, whichever way they wanted, "Cos I'm British & not _Allowed_ to vote!" - All were surprised & thought it unfair I couldn't vote!
  • Government gerrymandered & stole the votes of many UK citizens resident in Europe.
    (Not Yet Documented at wikipedia.org).
   

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Britain stole the vote from 700,000 (or more) of 2,000,000 Brits in EU -
Dis-Enfranchised: 3.5
million globally : Gerrymandering ( Wiki)

You'd expect British residents abroad in EU over 15 years should be well informed on UK, EU, & Brexit, & worthy of a vote ?
UK instead steals our right to vote, dis-enfranchises us!
As excuse, UK mis-appropriated as precedent, the 15 year limit for UK local internal general election suffrage.
UK ignores that many British long term ex-pats in EU would be increasingly Better informed about EU, than many UK citizens who've just stayed home in UK, traded with EU, or holiday-ed in EU.
UK dis-enfranchises some of its most informed & affected citizens!
UK hypocrisy cheats:
  • The UK, resident in the EU longer than 15 years, asserts its right to vote on Brexit
  • Yet UK stole the same right to vote on Brexit, from UK citizens equally resident in the EU longer than 15 years.

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Result of referendum: Narrow decision to leave EU

www . bbc . co . uk / news / politics / eu_referendum / results
Leave 17,410,742 Votes 51.9%
Remain 16,141,241 Votes 48.1%
Difference 1,269,501
Brits in EU, Denied A Vote Between 700,000 (or more) to 2,000,000
Brits globally, Denied A Vote + 3 or 4 MILLIONS! : Statements to parliament

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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.
4,135,446 at Wed Jul 13 11:03:06 CEST 2016
Parliament will debate this petition on 5 September 2016. You'll be able to watch online at parliamentlive.tv

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Create Another PETITION

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July 2016 & Beyond

  • The post referendum political chaos { inc. Conservative & Labour resignations, challenge from Scotland, legal moves to ensure a prime can't just implement Brexit without parliament (Mischcon), half baked ignorant statements ignoring individual civil rights embedded in treaties beyond mere EU, etc} Creates time & space through to the Autumn & beyond, to think deeper, & better consider all aspects of a possible Brexit, rather than stupidly take the narrow referendum margin as knee jerk authorisation to leave.
  • It was infuriating to listen to radio in UK for days after referendum, to repeatedly hear lots in ignorance say
  • "We've all had a chance to vote, now we must implement it" IT'S A LIE ! We did not _All_ have a chance to vote !!
  • BRITAIN STOLE OUR VOTES : I am a British citizen, was physically in UK (Kent) on the day & not eligible to register or vote
  • It would be irresponsible to push Brexit through without serious House Of Commons & Lords multi readings & debate.
  • Some in UK who voted Leave EU really just intended a kick or warning to the EU Brussels bureaucracy, some probably didn't expect a majority with immediate consequences. Even many who voted Remain In EU also consider the Brussels bureaucracy overpaid, bloated, forcing ever more regulations on us too fast, annoying almost all members with their wide interference. Bloat worsened by speaking every language in the EU, with costs of interpreters & translators, delays & mis-understanding. Even wasting a 1/4 of their time each month in Strasbourg. Many citizens of the EU outside the UK also think we need a looser Europe with flexibility, moving slower together, not forced fast by overpaid EU bureaucrats driving their own agenda of grand visions.
  • independent.co.uk : "TO THE PRIME MINISTER AND ALL MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT 9 July 2016 " by PHILIP KOLVIN QC And 1053 others
  • I expect UK economy & house prices will soften & drop in autumn 2016, when politicians return from holiday & the disaster progressively starts to unravel.
    • Business likes stability & a predictable future market. Brexit will produce a lot of market disruption & more scares as it unfolds. Building new alternative trade agreements & finding customers outside EU will take years.
    • Whether investing in new production lines, or lubricating foreign palms to place "invisible export" contracts in UK, etc, It takes time to recoup investments. More reason for a bust than a boom.
    • Bankers in London fear for jobs. France & Germany will make bids yet again to shoulder out the London finance market.
    • Would an EU citizen buy a house in London today ? With some idiot UK politicians saying existing EU people in UK might have to go home ? Half a million French in London I recall ? Maybe same again for Poles ? Whatever the numbers are, won't be good for London & SE property market
    • A bad time to `invest' in UK property. (Except perhaps not a bad time for buyers with Euros or dollars as pound is worth a lot less ).
    • Some in UK will start trying to drive harder bargains courtesy of Brexit fears.
    • Britain in 20 years might or not do better outside EU, but short term next year or 2, UK will do worse, The disaster of Brexit will take time to unfold. (When West Germany damaged its economy acquiring East Germany, it was a 20+ year long financial disaster (though benefited NATO)).
  • Message as sent "Tue Jul 19 18:31 CEST 2016" to Ian Blackford MP, SNP who will open debate on the Petition. (Others might like to send similar to other MPs)
    Brexit: Westminster Hall 16:30 5 Sept. UK stole 700,000 votes from Brits in EU.
    Dear Mr Ian Blackford
    • As you will open the debate, I'd be grateful if you &/or colleagues could please reference in relation to referendum numerics:
    • 700,000+ UK citizens resident in EU over 15 years were denied a vote !
    • Massive gerrymandering: nearly all would most probably have voted to remain in EU, based on sample at 2nd open meeting of British in Munich Germany 9th May, attended by the British consul.
    • Britain also stole our right to have constituency MPs to refer to.
    • Many of us are still intensely British & visit often, have investments & property in UK etc; eg I was in my UK high street on the day, encouraging people to vote, telling them Britain had stolen my right to vote.
    • Britain & Eire are the only 2 countries in European Union who steal the right to vote from citizens outside the country (USA also doesn't steal); That has so far only been challenged to UK's national supreme court, not to an International Court
    "Julian Stacey" <jhs@........com> www.berklix.eu/brexit/#stolen
    +49 89 ........ (Germany, happy to call back, flat rate to UK land lines)
  • 2016-11-03: BBC Brexit court defeat for UK government
    Ruling in full
  • 2016-12-08: BBC Last day of supreme court hearing. expecting the judgement in January

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A Strategy (Chronological)

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Law Case against our being denied a vote

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Meeting: 2nd Munich Meeting: 18:00 9 May 2016

Invitation To 2nd Meeting:

Open meeting with the British Consul General

Host Arranger: Robert Harrison

MUC Brits and Brexit - Q&A with Paul Heardmann - UK Consul

Hosted by Robert Harrison facebook page Monday, May 9 at 6:00 PM - 9:00 PM in UTC+02

Hacker-Pschorr Bräuhaus München Theresienhöhe 7, 80337 Munich, Germany

Details
After our meeting in March, a number of people had questions about the referendum and the effect on UK citizens living in Munich and surrounding areas. Paul Heardmann, who is the UK Consul General in Munich, has kindly agreed to a Q and A session on 9 May at 18:00 in the Pschorr Brauhaus, Theresienhöhe.

He can talk about the British government's position and about voting rights for expatriates in general. Please bear in mind that his role in Germany and Bavaria is to present the government's view and to work for a solution that is good for the UK and its citizens in Germany, whatever the outcome of the referendum. I'm sure that he will convey any concerns that back to London, but until the outcome of the referendum, he will not be able to speculate about any outcomes.

We had a good turnout for the last meeting and I've booked a slightly larger room. The event is free of charge - the restaurant will charge for food and drink.

To give us some idea of numbers, please let us know whether you would like to come.

Rob's Facebook page has a discussion button, but no public access ... Facebook monopoly.

To help know how many seats are needed,
Please email _brexit_@_robharrison_._eu_ ( Remove all '_' ! )

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Notes From 2nd Meeting 2016-05-09

A few friends couldn't make it & asked me for a report, rather than repeat by phone & over a beer etc, I've made notes below.
Corrections Welcome

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Notes Of Meeting

  • I counted I recall maybe 30 or so, maybe more were still arriving then. I think Rob counted more later ?
  • Vast majority by a show of hands (called by an audience member on Faraday table) could Not vote, been here too long, just a few could vote, about 4 or 5 maybe). Considerable resentment that we couldn't vote.
  • Most by far were edging toward retirement or retired, only very few were near young ... (There are lot of young British in Munich, not there though).
    Several lawyers in audience, Various EPO, Faraday, Berklix etc
  • Lots of concern to spread the word both in Munich & back home. Postcard size green flyers handed out promoting gov . uk / register - to - vote
  • Nearly all seemed in favour of UK remaining in EU.
  • Consul was introduced. He's been in Munich 4 years.
  • Consul spoke:
    • Promoting staying in EU, following the government line.
    • Asked if he should play it neutrally with a civil servant's straight bat, he did not feel the need, & was happy to promote the government line: Stay in EU.
    • Soon-ish [date?] Consul will be bound by Purdah & must then remain neutral.
    • He gave a timetable of events (all verbal, nothing written, stuff like when his purdah starts). He said we have about a week to safely apply to vote.
    • He made no mention there's a great mass of British throughout EU seriously annoyed we're dis-enfranchised by 15 year rule;
    • No mention of law case to try to get us votes, until we asked about case, at which point 3 or more audience members informed us.
    • He knew by prior show of hands, how few of us could vote, as dis-enfranchised by his employer the UK government, but did Nothing to inform us to help overturning the wholesale disenfranchising of us, British citizens in Munich & Bavaria, (even though if we were enfranchised, the vast majority was inclined to vote per his government instructors).
    • Various members of audience seemed to think he wasn't casting much light on various topics he could have. A subset of those things were generally realised to be unforeseeable, & as he pointed out he's not on an expert on German Nationality procedure of course. Perhaps he'd be more forthcoming on trade, than our voting franchise & personal rights interests, but before the Chamber Of Commerce meeting he'll be into Purdah so can't speak there.
  • A lot of concern about pensions, right to residence & work, & variety of other topics.
  • Some abstract discussion about some Vienna convention on citizens retaining right in event of ...
  • Some here (R.) are applying for German citizenship. Can't have dual German & other citizenship (said various people, but this author believes that is too simplistic, there are minor exceptions, can't remember, I think Jews & 2 other categories ? A German national (C.) told me after, if eg mother German & ... but most have to choose at 18 - however that's a matter of German law, not British law, French, Polish law etc.). Can have eg British & French dual.
  • There's a law case going through the courts, re us not being able to vote. Someone from Faraday/EPO long table by window handed me earlier papers. I showed to D. D told us all: result was/ would be today (same day as our meeting) Little chance of appeal succeeding.
  • One can renounce British citizenship irrevocably if one wants, but German constitution gives more protection (D. said).
  • EU treaty says 2 years if a country wants to leave. When starting ? Not specified. D. thought it would take far longer, & after 5 years UK might start to negotiate to re-enter EU.
  • Rob intended to send email list to Julian to install on berklix mail lists Julian intended to set Rob as list owner. Rob did not send list.
  • Some inc. P. want to meet on election night as the results come in, preferably with a live news feed. (It was probably assumed TV would be nice, but a bar/ restaurant beer garden with an accessible WLAN for eg an Android tablet + a "Film on Live TV App" might choke on limited bandwidth - might be better to settle for an Android FM Radio App, or even just a high quality conventional radio, any of which this author could bring).
    That & other follow up Can be discussed on mail list.

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After 2nd Meeting - Munich Specific

There were 5,949 British (3,654 male, 2,295 female) in Munich at 2015-12-31 (Source www.muenchen.de "Die ausländische Bevölkerung nach der Staatsangehörigkeit 2015 (Stand 31.12.) ).
Unknown how many will be blocked by the over 15 year lack of UK residence rule, not allowed to vote like children under 18.

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  No Taxation Without Representation 1750 to 2016

Links to other sites (News, Opinions, Debates, Law Suits etc

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JOKES

  • Graphics jokes on Private Eye 7th July, page 17
Bumper sticker made by LK GB "Ich bin kein Brexiteer"

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