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 |  | Cyclists Groups For bike trips, but also occasionally odd other summer sport
    events may also be announced on the bike@ list, eg for water skiers, surfers etc, also bike trips to
    join other Beer Gardeners. 
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    )If you ski in winter, or want to
    learn later, also join the Ski Group Mail
    ListIf you also walk or hike, also join
    the walk Mail List  Consider also joining the bike-fast@ list
      
      Other cycle groupsThe off-putting name was chosen 'cos it's short !Does not mean fast racers!Does mean faster than most though.Sample measured 2014-04-25: on un-tarmaced dry loose
      stone, on hard mud West path of Isar heading North, before
      & after Gross- Hesselohe brucke, suggest we bike-fast@
      may want maybe 25 ? KM/hr & the 20 KM/hr perhaps OK for
      bike@ is frustratingly slow for bike-fast@ )Definitely No clunkers (or "city rad" either
      generally)For cyclist who may be faster, &/or go further,who know to plan the effects of their move on Other
      bikes,who can use maps & compasses & plan routes,tend to narrower wheels,can fix their own bikes on route,prefer tarmac to stones,tend to clips,don't have fat tyresdon't have fat saddlesdon't have suspension etc.Ie about 10 to 20% of people on bike@ ;-)More Info or ask organisers
      &/or the most proficient cyclists in the bike@
      group. Sometimes we cycle to Beer Gardens (which
    is how this section started).
   Cycling Hazards, General &
    Local, & Local Fines
        The Normal
      Hazards
      Before mere human laws, consider the immutable Laws of
      biology & mechanics: ;-) 
       
          Science
          Human Alcohol Absorption: Alcohol in bloodstream will
          keep rising after you "down in one" the last of your
          beer, & jump on your bike, & test the brakes -
          hard - before going down that steep hill ;-).Stress laws: Tensile steel brake cables will break
          when hardest applied = most needed (just after hardest
          tested ? see above).Kinetic
          Energy: (The "over the handlebars" law ;-)1/2 mv^2
 (If its cooler at end of evening, its easier to
          cycle faster without overheating. (+ alcohol might
          accelerate). If you go 20% faster, That's 1.2 x
          1.2 = 44% more energy for brakes to dump before bike
          stops.
            Braking distance :
            The law of Crunch ;-)
 
              s=ut + 1/2 at^2ie first part of braking distance doubles if tipsy slow
            thinking distance doubles
 + if brakes can dump kinetic energy into heat at a
            fixed maximum rate, if you have double the speed, you
            quadruple that second part of your braking distance.
Friction coefficients: Few pedestrians or car drivers
          have any clue that wet bike wheel rim brakes in heavy
          rain can easily take over 4 times the distance to stop.
          (Not [hydraulic or other?] disc brakes, they seem to
          suffer less from wet)After kinetic energy flies you off a bike, The law of
          Gravity kicks in ...Then Murphy's / Sod's Law: "I'll buy a crash helmet
          now I've crashed ;-)"   Defective Humans
          Few car drivers cycle regularly, few understand
          problems of cyclists. Some cyclists act like idiots,
          provoking car drivers (eg cycling in parallel when it
          might be legal but also obstructive, or jumping traffic
          lights. Such provoked car drivers probably then treat the
          next cyclist badly. Pedestrians are clueless eg wandering
          the entire width of Diener Str (S of Marienplatz) where
          yes, its their Right, but if they had a brain cell,
          they'd leave middle of road clear for bikes. Cyclists
          provoke each other, eg 2 fat slow cyclists can block a
          path completely, never overtaking (there's a fine for
          that BTW!).
            The Law Of Evolution, or "Some Are Foolish, Some are
            stupid, (some aggressive), they won't learn, & Will
            walk or drive into you." 
            
              Evolution ceased in Europe. Many humans remain
              foolish &/or spatially clueless (or drunk) etc,
              & it will only get worse. Society removed
              previous evolutionary "survival of fittest" selector
              mechanisms. Since Europeans could breed & have
              their offspring supported by the state, there's no
              reason to suppose there's evolutionary incentive for
              humans to improve. Lack of intelligence doesn't
              preclude any from breeding, rather the opposite, more
              who will foolishly misuse all of cars, bikes, ...
              & shoes ;-)
               Local Munich
        Hazards
          Don't be misled by bike friendly PR you hear about
          Munich. There's lots of room for improvement, & most
          cyclists who ride fat slow City Rad don't realise how bad
          most (not all) city bike paths are & how dangerous
          tram tracks are to bikes with narrower wheels.Munich is only really bike friendly if you bike is a
          clunker, a fat tyred slow City Rad! Planners will learn
          little new from average cyclists who may eg attend ADFC
          city Innen-stadt cycle tour days on fat tyred slow bikes
          (Agonisingly slow rides BTW, high risk of zero speed
          collisions from jams !)For better understanding ask someone who cycles fast,
          on narrow wheelsMany local car drivers are clueless don't
          cycle (or if so, just fat tyred slow clunkers, called a
          "City Rad" in Munich).Best get the views of people who regularly cycle
          (inc. fast, on narrow tyres), & regularly drive a car
          too, useful for understanding different views &
          perspectives.
            Tram Tracks: 
            
              Many car drivers don't know bikes with narrow
              tyres (tourers, racers) can't cross a tram track at
              speed at a narrow angle (more so if wet), else they
              would catch in the rut, crash & risk being run
              over. They're too clueless to realise the narrower a
              bike tyre, the more the cyclist has to slow down, to
              achieve a sufficiently acute angle to cross tram
              tracks safely. You can get chased between tram
              tracks, too fast to cross the tracks, & cant slow
              down cos vehicle behind too close.Or drivers would like to force you to cycle
              between tram track & line of parked cars, with
              risk of any opening car door (from many careless Car
              drivers & rear offside passengers opening doors)
              causing Major injury, with no possibility to swerve
              across tracks with narrow wheels.A few drivers don't even realise, crossing tram
              tracks at a dodgy oblique angle is not the time to
              expect a cyclist to evolve a third hand, or cycle one
              handed, to signal turning with the other arm.(Reminds me of a moron driver coming down 
              a steep hill in England 
              ,
              driving too close, who wanted to then cut round
              outside me & turn left, forcing me to turn left
              when I couldn't, who shouted I should have signaled
              left, to which I shouted back "I need Two hands to
              _Brake_ with !! & further knowing I wanted to
              turn left too, but could only do so if & when I
              could decelerate enough to do so. & & if I'd
              evolved a third hand in a millisecond to suit the
              moron car driver, it would have still done him no
              good, as I couldn't have decelerated before the
              middle of the junction (very steep hill). The
              aggressive driver moron ignored bikes don't have foot
              brakes, don't have 4 wheels, & can't take tight
              corners downhill at speed. Every country has fools at
              the wheel. None I know of requires an intelligence
              test before a driving test.
Wet Braking Distance Triples ! How few car
          drivers & pedestrians know that happens with rain,
          metal rims, & rubber blocks ?Some Pedestrians assume they will hear motors of
          all vehicles, & too lazy to look for bikes &
          electric/combi cars.Most Pedestrians assume all bikes are slow,
          & eg a bike bell is a signal to later slowly consider
          strolling off the bike path. Not all bikes can or will
          stop in time. Some stand in bike lanes & deliberately
          don't get out of the way.Munich pedestrians & cyclists sometimes cross
          junctions as soon as their light goes green, without
          first looking left for vehicles turning right. (The
          Ich habe Recht mentality ;-) Ignorant that foreign
          eg British & some other car drivers are used to a
          different traffic light timing pattern, & will Not
          expect them to start crossing just then. A pedestrian or
          cyclist knocked down by a foreign car driver in such
          circumstance may usually have law on their side, but it
          will be No less painful or injurious.
            Ignition Key Syndrome 
            
              Munich car drivers mentally become encased in their
              steel car, the second an ignition key is in their
              hand, while they step out from kerb, & open
              drivers door, further obstructing the road.
            
            Big City aggression 
            
              Munich being a big-ish city, drivers are more
              aggressive than smaller German cities (eg Aachen), or
              UK {Canterbury, Tunbridge Wells etc}.(If you wonder if this author's perspective
              may suffer from lack of experience of Big cities, not
              so: I happily drive a car in London, I've been around
              Hyde Park corner London, a few times on a bike, not
              Too often, risky, & round the Arc De Triomphe
              Paris ( a few times, car only).
            Germanic Recht Haben 
            
              Native English speakers generally consider locals on
              average as more obsessed with their rights, laws
              & insurance than we are, & less flexible.
              More people (car drivers, cyclists, pedestrians) seem
              to be less flexible. Supposing the law to be on their
              side gives some people a deluded sense of security
              but doesn't stop accidents, pain & injury, it
              merely influences who might pay if people get caught.
            
            1st Sunny Days In Spring - Cycle Morons! ...
            Cycling on the left !Beware too many cyclists in Spring act like morons, as
            if they've not seen all 4 wheel traffic all winter
            drive on the right, & never learnt to cycle on the
            right, so they cycle on the Left & middle of cycle
            paths, & assume all cyclists oncoming are slow
            enough to & & will stop for them. Of course
            there's a law against it, doesn't stop the morons.
            Apparently the first few sunny days in spring the
            ambulances scrape up an excess number of cyclist off
            the cycle paths. ! Bells of course are completely
            useless you'd wait beyond collision time for these
            morons to react at all. Shouting "Rechts!" loudly,
            aggressively, & in agonised stressed tone at these
            morons sometimes helps avert a collision, far more
            effective than a bell if you have a Loud voice.
            Sometimes morons ignore that too, sometimes they shout
            back Links as if it's their counter proposal for a
            political debate or other moronic abuse. Sure there's a
            law & fine to enforce cycling on right, but being
            morons, neither Kinetic energy of a fast oncoming bike,
            nor German law persuade morons to cycle on the Right.
 The same morons, (both cyclists & pedestrians)
            have to learn afresh each spring, that on a red light
            on a cycle path at a 4 way junction, one shouldn't roll
            bike or walk those last 3 metres up to 2nd white line
            at a crossing, 'cos any moment there'll be a pile of
            bike traffic at 90 degrees on the flank that the morons
            will be obstructing.By high summer the danger from morons recedes... till
            next Spring, every year, zombies never learn.
Summer Clueless Tourists They swarm in summer
          & Oktoberfest, they often innocently have absolutely
          No idea they're standing in a bike path, on what casually
          appeared to them to be pavement.Föhn (On sunny days, if wind from
          Mountains in South, dry air, (positive ions apparently),
          Many more people act stupidly. (Simple proof to
          observe: Count the stupid mistakes on such days, compared
          with other days. Only count objective mistakes you
          remotely observe, not any subjective mistakes where you
          are either the wronged party, or you made the
          mistake). I used to think Foehn was maybe a local
          gullibility joke on visitors, like supposed existence of
          Wolperdinger, ; it's not, Foehn is a real traffic hazard,
          not a joke!
            The dangerous continental habit/law of "Give way to
            the right", 
            
              which aggressive "my right=law" obsessed inflexible
              drivers convert to "Screw any traffic to the left,
              I'll pull out regardless, Es ist meine Recht
              ("It's my right")  ..., 
               
                I'll pull across that single or line of car
                driver[s] or cyclist[s] on the left, ignoring any/
                all of: common sense, courtesy, risk, kinetic
                energy, bad road surface, poor visibility,
                possibility of bad brakes, T junction, or narrow
                road ahead I want to turn left into -
              (The French to their credit, on their major
              routes, reduced this dangerous continental habit on
              their major routes, decades back) , 
               Munich re-introduced greater use of this daft legal
              system (maybe around 1995 ?), when they removed white
              lines & signs from city junctions (in the stupid
              name of Verkehrs-
              Beruhigen" ) . That would have required more
              courtesy & sensible flexibility in case of near
              simultaneous arrival at junctions. Of course that
              often didn't happen with "Es ist mein Recht -
              Muenchners" - I saw many more near accidents after.
            
            Taxi Drivers 
            
              Though Munich drivers are aggressive, Taxi drivers
              are far more so, & brainless. I've had taxi
              drivers shout at me to use cycle paths, paths they've
              doubtless never tried at speed, drivers too stupid to
              even guess the paths are damned unsafe at speeds I
              can cycle. Some taxis have dangerously tried to use
              their taxi body to force me off the road, real road
              swine some Munich Taxis. (I'm a car driver too,
              Munich taxi drivers more dangerous than normal Munich
              drivers, & less disciplined than London black cab
              Taxis. 
               Some summers back I cycled to Wolfratshausen &
              back to Munich, it was night, cool & I was going
              very fast, needed smooth tarmac, & a long braking
              distance in the dark, not bike paths; I wasn't so
              much slower than cars, all no problem, till I got
              back to outskirts, when multiple brainless taxi
              drivers started horning & harassing me. 'cos I
              wasn't using the crap city cycle paths, where I could
              have only gone a 3rd the speed or less, cos of bumps,
              jags, irregular edges, protruding brambles &
              abrupt terminations of path with no notice.
              Impossible by bike light. Typical Munich taxi driver aggression was
              exemplified in 2013 at a 2 to 1 funnel heading south
              along Isar, West bank, south of Fraunhofer- Str, 
              Here 2 taxi morons drove sideways into each
              other, as so used to intimidating all other vehicles,
              must have refused to allow each other to take the
              lead, & rammed each other, As a pedestrian that
              day, seeing no human damage, just 2 taxis,
              remembering how often they cut up other cars, I burst
              out laughing, hoping 2 moron taxi drivers might learn
              to be less aggressive.  
 
                Wouldn't so likely see that from black
                London taxi cabs, not only better trained in
                knowing the roads ("The Knowledge"), but taxis not
                allowed on roads if scratched. ) (Yes london cabs
                will cut corners in city of London 
                
                 endangering pedestrians, but after someone I know
                got sick of it every day & held out his long
                umbrella , brass ferule at end toward the taxi
                sides, to prevent them clipping the corner, that
                they avoided : A scratch on a London black taxi
                means off the road & no earnings !
              Sex Narrow Focused There's a dangerous bit of
          cycle path on 
          Landsberger Str. North side, West just after junction
          with Friedenheimer Brucke. Heading West, early
          evening cycling fast, late to focus/ host a Beer Garden start: I've
          several times narrowly avoided collision between camper
          van doors & idiot males crossing South across cycle
          path to prostitutes in front passenger seat of white
          camper vans. I've learnt to beware as soon as I come over
          the rise & see the van rooves.
            Bike Paths: 
            
              Everyone (planners, car drivers, police) assume
              all bikes are dead slow with fat wheels. They don't
              realise the bumpy tarmac , swerves, crossings,
              cobbles & reduced visibility to cross streets is
              jarring and Very unsafe at a decent tourer/race bike
              speed, & it's much smoother & safer on the
              road.)Police: I've had various police tell me
              one Must use lousey cycle tracks if there. They seem
              ignorant & uninterested how bad adjacent tracks
              are. One young policeman from his warm comfy car seat
              stopped me & told me in mid January that I Must
              cycle on the cycle path covered in snow & ice,
              & not on the cleared road. Was he legally correct
              ? ( let me
              know.The road surface was clear &
              safe, the snow & ice track was very dangerous,
              near impossible without deep track mountain bike
              tyres.I had road tyres, as his BMW did; I did not have
              mountain bike deep track fat tyres, just as his BMW
              did not have off-road tractor tyres. His BMW would
              not have held with the dangerous snow & ice
              surface he (with 4 wheels) insisted I must balance on
              with just 2 wheels.
Taxi Drivers sometimes fancy themselves as
              unpaid policemen, shouting at cyclists to get on the
              bike path, despite a bike path may be totally
              unsuitable for tourer/ racing bikes at decent speed;
              many inner city bike paths are junk, fit only for fat
              old clunkers going very slow. Occasionally some taxi
              drivers even use their cars to drive too close to
              force cyclists off the road, one even pulled across
              to block forward motion, provoking an emergency stop.
              Criminal idiocy when the bike is fast, as it was
              !Even many car Drivers have no road senses, eg,
              get out of car & stand idly on bike path blocking
              bike traffic!Car passengers don't look before opening doors
              across cycle tracksNearly everyone stupidly assumes all bikes are
              slow & can & will stop near instantly, &
              that everyone has a right to block cycle paths.Munich's bike paths can sometimes be a liability,
              it's sometimes safer to cycle on roads that do Not
              have cycle paths. Some cyclists don't understand
              that, I've never known a cyclist to challenge that
              assertion, who didn't turn out to be a slow cyclist,
              who usually (not always) rode a clunker (fat tyred
              city rad). Only those who regularly drive cars, bikes
              (also at speed, not just slow!), & also walk in
              crowded pedestrian areas, interlaced with bike paths,
              are likely to have good understanding of all
              perspectives.
            City Planners: They mistakenly plan for all
            bikes being fat tyred slow City Rad. 
            
             German Fines
          A fines web site: www . bussgeldkatalog .
          org 
           New fines @ 2013 April: http://www.adfc.de/bussgeldkatalog/bussgeldkatalog-fuer-radfahrer
          Zusammengestellt vom ADFC, Quelle: Bundeseinheitlicher
          Tatbestandskatalog, 9. Auflage 2013, gülit seit
          April 2013) 
           New rules 2013 April:http://www.adfc.de/stvo 
           New link 2014-10-05:
           http://www.adfc.de/verkehr--recht/recht/regeln-fuer-radfahrer/fachwissen-fahrradalltag/verkehrsrecht-fuer-radfahrer (~2009, as read/heard, might be wrong or old, don't
          blame me, ask a lawyer if you Need to know): 
            
            10 Euro. On pavement & pedestrian zones: @ 2009
            June15 Euro if obstruction. @ 2009 June20 Euro if dangerous inc. wrong way on cycle path.
            @ 2009 June15 to 30 Euro if wrong way on a road (unless
            allowed by sign). @ 2009 June10 Euro: No lights on bike. @
            2009 June10 Euro if ear plugs for music (though disputed if
            illegal). @ 2009 June25 Euro Mobile phone. @ 2009 June45 Euro + 3 points in in Flensburg: if Red stop
            light for less than a second, & no one endangered.
            (If longer & an accident, up to 180 Euro & 4
            points. @ 2009 JuneAlcohol > 1.6 Pro mille Drunk Driving. 30 days
            pay. + 7 points in Flensburg. If an accident &
            above 0.3, a higher punishment & usually an MPU
            test. & 7 points. If they send you for a loony
            check: Medizinisch-Psychologische-Untersuchung (MPU). =
            Depperltest ) If you blow that you lose your licence. @
            2009 June@ 2016-05 still 1.6: SZ
350 Euro.: Over a closed rail crossing. @ 2009
            June500 Euro:+ 1 Month loss of driving licence: Cycling
            on S Bahn platform. @ 2012 August 
            16.01.2012 
            talk about making cycle helmets compulsory in the next
            few years   Racing Bikes & Recumbent
    Bikes etc  DIY Bike Repair &
    Maintenance
      Periodically people ask me/us about repairing/ maintaining
      their own bikes: (I learnt as a kid & always did
      my own, so I've never taken bikes to shops for repair, just
      to buy parts, but I have occasionally asked advice at
      shops) 
       Shops usually don't mind giving a bit of advice while
      they're selling you parts, If some shop Does object, cancel
      the parts purchase & buy elsewhere. (I recommend my local
      bike shop in Fraunhofer- Str.). On a ride, those of us that
      DIY are happy to give advice, but you need one bike in decent
      order Before you join a ride, so if that's Catch 22 for you
      .... Either take your bike to a repair shop, or 
       To learn DIY, if you speak German you could try: 
       
        Haus der
        Eigenarbeit Their page at 2014-10-21:
         "08.10.2014 | Fachberatung Fahrrad reparieren ab sofort
        gibt es wieder Fachberatung Fahrrad reparieren. Jeden
        letzten Dienstag im Monat ab 18 Uhr hilft Ihnen Manuel
        Gessele beim Reparieren Ihres Fahrrades. 
 Wörthstrasse 42/Rgb. 81667 München Di-Fr
        15-21
 I cont have the enthusiasm to create an ever growing list,
        I would be happy to point at someone else's list, mail me an URL (web
        ref) to such. Uhr und Sa 12-18 Uhr "
 
      Another possibility: 
       
        http://anstiftung-ertomis.de/uebersicht-repair-cafes-in-deutschland/event/6961-repair-cafe-muenchen-giesing
        Repair Cafe Muenchen Giesing They meet periodically at:Nachbarschaftstreff
        am Walchenseeplatz  Adresse: Bayrischzeller Straße
        5, 81539 München, Deutschland
        Bike Tours Geographic Alphabetic
    List:
      England, Kent, Tunbridge Wells, 77-83 Camden Rd, TN21
      @QL. - Last Sunday each month, 4 groups, range of abilities,
      meet outside bike shop: Wild Side
      CyclesGermany, Bavaria, Munich berklix.org 
      en.
      wikipedia. org/ wiki/ Bicycle_lightingStVO 67:verkehrsportal.
      de/stvzo /stvzo_67 .php German Street Traffic Law 67
        Flashing lights in Germany 
        
          Prior to StVO 67, I had understood
          that while while flashers were not legally sufficient,
          (& one must also have a continuously on light. (eg
          via a dynamo, which goes out at junctions, also legal,
          but not nice) ...A 2nd battery driven light, that didn't go out when
          stopped at junctions, & that could flash as an
          optional extra, was sensible. (a car driver, often may
          find a combination of bike rear steady light + flasher to
          be optimal to notice slow bikes, depending on lighting
          conditions?).
 However as StVO 67 includes: "An
          Fahrr\xe4dern d\xfcrfen nur die vorgeschriebenen und die
          f\xfcr zul\xe4ssig erkl\xe4rten lichttechnischen
          Einrichtungen angebracht sein." Which "nur"
          seems to annoyingly block flashers,
 Maybe "nur" might be supplanted or re-interpreted or
          challenged elsewhere ?
Lights I know include dynamo, & on same bike,
          battery driven with multi way switches that can provide
          steady on or off or various flash rates/patterns.In practice, police will hopefully first remove
          cyclists with no lights, then bikes only with flashers,
          etc, before pursuing steady + flasher combos, &
          exotica of lights that might not run on 6 Volt (Read StVO 67! So it seems an obsolete pre LED
          etc law, that should now specify Lumens not Volts!,
          Particularly as it specifies "3 W und deren Nennspannung
          6 V" & LEDS need less Watts for same brightness.Consult a lawyer or police for German law, the above
          is just opinion to encourage thinking.
      UK Law (amusing too).
        Dates: 
        
         German Law Changes
    2016-12-01:
      Bikes no longer need to wait for pedestrian reds on bike
      paths crossing roads junctions, we're finally classed as
      vehicles, not slow pedestrians, The big reds for cars at
      junctions are now what we must stop for...Car drivers may not realise that for a while, so we'll be
      more at at risk from car drivers not looking back down cycle
      path before they turn right, cars will wrongly expect we must
      stop for them, some idiots will turn right without looking
      back.The laws of kinetic energy, gravity, & friction
      remain absolute ;-)
        Heap of URLS from 2020-12 re red lights, no time to review:
        
         
        
       
      
      Andechs to Giesing 2019-06-09 : "It's all tarmac, fairly
      flat and mostly very bike friendly. If I do it again, I'd
      probably change one section as the bike route signs have
      obviously been superseded by road improvements. The section
      from Hadorf to Oberbrunnerstr is now a fast road without
      cycle path. There are many cycle friendly other roads to
      take."
       Bikemap app 
      en .
      wikipedia . org / wiki / Segway_PT 20.1 km/h, 9 km LiOn
      BatsA friend  wrote: took a little while to
      get used to the steering, since you don`t turn the "handle
      bars" as on a bike, but move them from side to side. Although
      the weather was fairly warm, it was actually a bit cold on
      the Segway, since you`re not doing anything active yourself
      and the air is coming against you.Yellow jackets & bike helmets seem sensible
      precautions.Other models mindways - segway .
      de / modelleInc. this scarey one wheel model "ONE S2" for 900 Euro mindways -
      segway . de / ninebot - one 24 km/h 30km 11.4 Kg
        Germany: 
        
      
        Munich: 
        
      
        Pa name=pubs>Pubs Some pubs en routes we've used:
        
        
          Waldgasthof Buchenhain (by S Bahn) 
 
      PS A clip from email:I've done a fair bit of cycling: When first in Munich I
      saw lots of silly posers in colourful tops & embarasing
      body tight black trousers, & flash bikes they didn't
      exploit, they bought the gear but didnt go fast or far, like
      typical trendy Muenchners, mostly posers. PS Couldnt easily
      get a tennis court in Munich after Boris Becker
      started winning, eg Wimbledon '85 'cos Muenchners suddenly
      deemed it trendy).I assumed those cyclists were also daft/ trendy, legs
      whizzing round while going slow, I was only half right, most
      were were clueless posers, but a few were good cyclist
      cruising not fast, but saving their knees from abrasive
      pressure.For too many years I kept in highest gears, &
      un-necessarily kept my lowest gear combos (of front &
      back cogs) just for going up hills from hell. No longer.
        Nominations of steep hills 
        
      (I always knew to not pedal standing up, (it stretches
      the chain, + does you a mischief if chain slips or
      breaks).Problem: How to come down those hills from hell ? My
      bowden cables periodicaly snap. Bike shops tell me I cant fit
      hydraulics on my 1985 Tourer, a 
       Peugeot Modell PX80 28"Consider your life hang on a crazily thin cable or 2.
      Consider just the value of you bike hangs on a far thicker
      bike lock cable or 2 Ponder that over a beer on a bike trip !
      Join some of cyclists
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